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Post by bonniej2 on Mar 30, 2007 10:55:35 GMT -5
Would you turn them in?
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Post by ugly on Mar 30, 2007 11:09:43 GMT -5
I have when I worked at a Motel as security. I dont know if I could but if I had a hord of illegal's standing on my street corner for work I would absolutely turn them in. But let me tell you cops dont do anything with illegal aliens.
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Post by bonniej2 on Mar 30, 2007 11:13:16 GMT -5
But let me tell you cops dont do anything with illegal aliens. What do you mean?
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Post by ugly on Mar 30, 2007 11:16:00 GMT -5
If you call the cops on an illegal alien in from what I have seen, all they do is relocate them to another street corner. Police dont arrest illegal aliens or deport them. I have a friend that is a Border Patrol agent in AZ and he says that if you want something actualy done about it you have to call INS.
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Post by FloggingSully on Mar 30, 2007 11:31:08 GMT -5
What can cops really do?
Cop: "We got a complaint that you were an illegal immigrant" Illegal Imigrant: "No I'm a legal resident" Cop: "Let me see your ID" Illegal: "I don't have it with me, there isn't a law that says I need to carry an ID" Cop: "Well, you are loitering, so move along"
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Post by ugly on Mar 30, 2007 11:35:15 GMT -5
Thats very true and why they cant do anything
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Post by matclone on Mar 30, 2007 11:53:32 GMT -5
I was trying to avoid comment, but Ugly, as much as he is obviously speaking from his own opinion, continues to make rhetorical and misleading statements. Contrast to Bonnie who attempts to interject some reality.
Rhetorical: everyone and every situation is painted as being the same, the people are the same, the law treats "them" the same and (misleading) "they" are "never" arrested or deported. Please. That's obvious bullshit. Did you not read about the raids on mothers yesterday in Maryland? Or the several nationwide raids the last few months?
You evidently live in Colorado but are unaware the stated passed the so-called "toughest" laws in the nation last year, including SB90, in which local cops are supposed to check status if they have reason to believe it's not legit? You say (rhetorically) "they" "aren't" deported but have you bothered to check any official numbers? If you take the trouble to go to the ICE or DHS website, I bet you can readily find deportation numbers and they will be massive. Ugly, the anti-immigrant movement routinely regales us with crap like immigrants are filling up our jails (insinuating they are criminals), when in fact most are there holding for deportation--while you say "they" are not arrested at all. And so we hear rhetoriticians talking out of both sides of their mouth, in order to make a point (the ends justify the means, I suppose).
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Post by matclone on Mar 30, 2007 11:56:56 GMT -5
Local cops have their hands full chasing criminals. I don't know about you, but I would feel much better if they focused their time and attention on criminals, and not on trying to be immigration officials (for which most are not trained).
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Post by bonniej2 on Mar 30, 2007 12:03:11 GMT -5
More than anything I feel that THe American gov. should partner with the Mexican gov. to develop a strategy to improve Mexico for its citizens. We are more than willing to dump billions in aid to Africa and we should bemore than willing to the same for our neighbors to the south. I have no idea what we give to Africa, but I'm sure it's not extravagant compared to the need. It's frustrating that there isn't more that our government can/will do. Did NAFTA improve the quality of life of the average Mexican/Central American? I don't have any stats on that either, but my general impression is that it hasn't. I guess my rant on this is that people who call themselves Christians (along with many others) are very unsympathetic to the situations of illegals and the way they talk about them is filled with hate. It's like they consider those people to be subhuman - WWJD, BTW?
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Post by ugly on Mar 30, 2007 12:06:08 GMT -5
Clone, I didnt say they are never deported or arrested I said from my experience that the POLICE do not arrest and I know for a fact that POILICE departments do not deport anyone. So keep it in context please. When I worked security at Motel 6 in Mesa Arizona I called the Cops at least 50 times because there would 15-25 illegal aliens in a single room and the Coyotes were down the hall. I never once whitnessed anyone get arrested or the proper imigration authority be called. What I did whitness with my own eyes is the Cops tell the occupants to move along they had to go somewhere else. I have also see with my very own eyes Police pull up to a circle K with about 20 illegal aliens looking for work and do nothing. Were the raids in MD carried out by local police. I mean the whole raid all the reasearch and and arrest and deportation? I am talking strictly about LOCAL POLICE not specialized units.
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Post by matclone on Mar 30, 2007 12:07:08 GMT -5
If we don't get real about immigration, and insist on speaking rhetorically, and in an exaggerated manner about the issue, we are unlikely to accomplish anything except to engender hatred toward foreigners, and severely divide our society.
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Post by ugly on Mar 30, 2007 12:10:16 GMT -5
Bonnie like I said you can only give so much. Let me ask you Christian or not would you give to someone so much that it brought down your ability to provide your family with the standard of living they are used to or deserve?
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Post by ugly on Mar 30, 2007 12:11:38 GMT -5
If we don't get real about immigration, and insist on speaking rhetorically, and in an exaggerated manner about the issue, we are unlikely to accomplish anything except to engender hatred toward foreigners, and severely divide our society. Clone do you think anyoe should be able to enter the country illegaly?
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Post by Flop the Nuts on Mar 30, 2007 12:11:59 GMT -5
"the anti-immigrant movement"
That's not the same "movement" as the anti-illegal immigrant movement, is it? I want to be sure what movement I'm a part of. I'm all for immigration, legally. It's the illegal immigrants that should be treated as if they are behaving illegally. Crazy concept, huh?
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Post by matclone on Mar 30, 2007 12:13:23 GMT -5
Clone, I didnt say they are never deported or arrested I said from my experience that the POLICE do not arrest and I know for a fact that POILICE departments do not deport anyone. So keep it in context please.
That was your clear insinuation, if not statement.
When I worked security at Motel 6 in Mesa Arizona I called the Cops at least 50 times because there would 15-25 illegal aliens in a single room and the Coyotes were down the hall. I never once whitnessed anyone get arrested or the proper imigration authority be called. What I did whitness with my own eyes is the Cops tell the occupants to move along they had to go somewhere else. I have also see with my very own eyes Police pull up to a circle K with about 20 illegal aliens looking for work and do nothing.
What you say may well be true, but local police are not immigration authorities. You seem to be asking the locals to take on what is a national issue. It's under the jurisdiction of the feds in terms of enforcement. And the larger issue belongs to Congress. Some are attempting to do something about it; others would rather it be an election issue.
Were the raids in MD carried out by local police. I mean the whole raid all the reasearch and and arrest and deportation? I am talking strictly about LOCAL POLICE not specialized units.
No, they were federal cops. ICE.
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