Avallone
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Post by Avallone on Mar 27, 2007 22:12:07 GMT -5
Avallone, Can't answer your question. But I have one. If a person can't pass an English-written driving test, does that mean they don't know how to drive? If they can't read English how will they read the road signs? Did that mean stop or slow down and look, oops must have meant stop. Crap I really need to learn how to read English if I am going to live in this country.
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Post by lkwdsteve on Mar 27, 2007 23:15:08 GMT -5
That actually raises an interesting question. If things transpire that you have to spend extended time in a foreign country (lets say Germany). Would they require you getting licensed by their authorities or would they accept a USA drivers license?
Either way, I believe I could drive in Germany without being able to "read" German, because I know how to drive. In other words, just because I couldn't pass a German-written test does not mean I couldn't navigate their roads safely. I would get by. If a license became a requirement, I would ask to be tested in English.
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Post by Flop the Nuts on Mar 27, 2007 23:20:26 GMT -5
Knowing how to physically drive a car, and being able to follow the "rules of the road" are two different things. I could teach a 10 year old how to drive, but I wouldn't want them behind the wheel.
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Post by lkwdsteve on Mar 27, 2007 23:40:24 GMT -5
Knowing how to physically drive a car, and being able to follow the "rules of the road" are two different things. I could teach a 10 year old how to drive, but I wouldn't want them behind the wheel. I'm not a ten year old (believe it or not). I'm telling you that I would drive in Germany right now if I were there. Would you?
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Post by satiev1 on Mar 28, 2007 0:46:31 GMT -5
They offer other languages in addition to spanish such as italian, german, and japanese in most high schools. I don't know any high school which only offers spanish.
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Avallone
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Post by Avallone on Mar 28, 2007 6:52:22 GMT -5
They offer other languages in addition to spanish such as italian, german, and japanese in most high schools. I don't know any high school which only offers spanish. Come to Oklahoma, spanish and only spanish.
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Post by Avallone on Mar 28, 2007 6:59:49 GMT -5
That actually raises an interesting question. If things transpire that you have to spend extended time in a foreign country (lets say Germany). Would they require you getting licensed by their authorities or would they accept a USA drivers license? Either way, I believe I could drive in Germany without being able to "read" German, because I know how to drive. In other words, just because I couldn't pass a German-written test does not mean I couldn't navigate their roads safely. I would get by. If a license became a requirement, I would ask to be tested in English. I was a over the road truck driver for the Army in Germany, we had to go through a month long class to learn what the road signs meant before we could drive. We also had to take a class on how to speak German. We were glad to do this because it helped us to enjoy the country while we were there. I could order beer in German just as well as a native German ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D.
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Post by lkwdsteve on Mar 28, 2007 7:34:33 GMT -5
VERY cool.
I picked the right country as an example by sheer coincidence.
At the end, was your test to pass the month long class (assuming there was a final test) in English (already figuring any signs pictured on the test would be in German)?
My question about whether you could have driven safely anyway is answered by your noting that it helped you enjoy the country. Fair enough.
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Post by FloggingSully on Mar 28, 2007 8:50:27 GMT -5
"In our High School and the city's around ours, spanish is a required credit in order to graduate. So yes they are forcing my children to learn spanish. Why is this?" -For the same reason they force your children to learn math, history, science, etc. Foreign languages are important for kids to learn and actually help them understand english better. I don't know why you're school system doesn't offer languages other than Spanish, maybe budget constraints? I know when I was in high school we were offered french, spanish, and latin.
"Also why do they have drivers tests in spanish? Have you ever seen a street sign in spanish? I have not so should the test not be in English since all the street signs are in English?" -Most road signs rely on symbols instead of words, I also don't think you need to be able to read english to recognize a stop sign. The actual written test is to make sure people understand the rules of the road since these rules are the same in any language I don't see a problem with people being able to take them in a language other than english.
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Post by phillywrestler on Mar 29, 2007 20:57:17 GMT -5
Are those of us who want immigration reform and dont want illegal immigrants to stay here? Or are we realistic about the actual harm that illegal aliens do. I am not only talking about hispanic illegals but all illegals. I just heard a great analogy on the radio If someone breaks into your house and does everything you dont want to do. Cleans your house, takes out the trash all the stuff you hate to do. When you get home you find the intruder in your home, do you let the intruder stay simply because they did what you didnt want to. No you dont, you call the police because they still broke the law. Another analogy: If a pregnant women breaks into your house and has a her baby, is that baby your to take care of. No its not you had nothing to do with the child being in your house and you have no responsability to it and you would not take any for it. The problem with this analogy is that we turned a blind eye when the trespassers entered our homes. We knew the trespassers were inside our homes doing all our dirty chores and we never objected until the situation became inconvenient.
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Post by ugly on Mar 30, 2007 7:27:21 GMT -5
Philly, If you have ever lived in a southwestern state the people down here have always known and the average citizen that wasnt a construction company owner has always complained about it.
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Post by FloggingSully on Mar 30, 2007 7:59:15 GMT -5
Philly, the real problem with that analogy is that your house is private property and the country isn't.
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Post by ugly on Mar 30, 2007 8:03:37 GMT -5
The point of the analogy is that when someone is breaking the law you dont just turn your head or give them the benefits of those who arent breaking the law. I realise that there are many people dong other things as well but that is no the issue either. When you catch someone smoking crack or seling it they are arrested. IF you catch an illegal alien and they have kids here nothing happens to them.
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Post by bonniej2 on Mar 30, 2007 9:53:02 GMT -5
The point of the analogy is that when someone is breaking the law you dont just turn your head or give them the benefits of those who arent breaking the law... I have a question for you Ugly- Do the laws of the USA trump those of the Bible for you? The law of the US is that only certain people can be here, but the law of the Bible is to feed and clothe the poor. One of the main tenets Jesus spoke of is to take care of the less fortunate. If an illegal immigrant knocked on your door, would you feed and clothe them or turn them in?
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Post by ugly on Mar 30, 2007 10:41:28 GMT -5
Well Bonnie it is a good question. THe Bible does say that we are to take care of those who have less or are incapable of taking care of themselves. It also says that we are to follow the law of the land. If an illegal alien came to my house and especially if they had kids I would obviously provide them with food or clothes also depending on the situation I might give them a bed for the night. I would not however allow them to stay forever with me and bring down the standard of living I provide for my own family.
It is one thing to help people and I am all for it but we have to set a standard. America cant just let everybody in because it has the potential to cause the standard of American living to fall. IF you try to gain citizenship in another country most if not all of them want you to have a college degree or a certain skill set that will advance the standard of living in their country. THey dont just want people to seek a better life for themselves but to promote a better life for everyone.
I think that everyone has a right to enter this country legaly I dont think that it is an un-Christian atitude. We must as a country have reaonable standards for people to enter the nation. More than anything I feel that THe American gov. should partner with the Mexican gov. to develop a strategy to improve Mexico for its citizens. We are more than willing to dump billions in aid to Africa and we should bemore than willing to the same for our neighbors to the south.
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