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Post by JensenS on Mar 11, 2007 17:22:57 GMT -5
Okay, so the portrays Persians as "blood thirsty zombies." I'm sure people will see that as completely realistic after they look glance over the mutant Persian warrior, the deformed humpback that betrays the Spartans, and every other element of the movie that is just a LITTLE bit past the realm of conventional believability. I'm sure this will brilliantly stoke anti-Iranian sentiment for evil George Bush's inevitable war against Iran and all their "blood thirsty zombie Persians."
God you people are stupid. Go spread your misery somewhere else.
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Mar 11, 2007 17:24:55 GMT -5
Post by satiev1 on Mar 11, 2007 17:24:55 GMT -5
I'm sure his goal wasn't to create or spark controversy. It might not spoke anti-iranian sentiment for you, but it might for other americans.
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Mar 11, 2007 17:42:40 GMT -5
Post by oc on Mar 11, 2007 17:42:40 GMT -5
The monsterous forms of the Persians is in the minds of the Spartans. That's how they see the people they are fighting, they do after all threaten the Spartan homeland. It's not a dig against contempory Persians.
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Mar 11, 2007 17:46:08 GMT -5
Post by oc on Mar 11, 2007 17:46:08 GMT -5
The main question to ask is: Why show the movie now? Judging by the box office, money.
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Mar 11, 2007 18:44:29 GMT -5
Post by yazdani on Mar 11, 2007 18:44:29 GMT -5
Zack Snyder's comments were in the exact same section, of the exact same article that you quoted. I know you saw them, but since you're biased you didn't post them, its cool though. The two quotes you provided from Miller are taken completely out of context. Its entirely possible that he wasn't even talking about the movie, or the comic when he provided them. yes, i saw the comments of snyder's from the portion on wikipedia, but he didn't make any indication of his views. that is why i didn't put any of his comments on my post. you call me bias, but if i am any type of bias it is for the truth of matters. it usaully make me look like i am going one way but that is because i am usaully defending something i feel is being portrayed incorrectly in the media. incase i miss read: Political aspects The filmmakers assert that any parallels to the current Iraq War that some in the media have implied were not intended. Indeed, Zack Snyder sees that comparison by some as a possible hindrance in the long run.[69] The studio and filmmakers had discussed the sensitive issue about the film's "contemporary resonance" of the East versus West conflict.[70] Snyder reports that after advance screenings, he was taken aside by reporters at a screening for the international press, and asked about political implications by one reporter who insisted that Xerxes had to be symbolizing George W. Bush, only to have a second reporter suggest that Leonidas represented Bush. At a later showing at the Berlinale, Snyder says, he was asked, "Don’t you think it’s interesting that your movie was funded at this point?" Snyder clarifies, "The implication was that funding came from the U.S. government."[69] However, an interview on National Public Radio in January, Frank Miller echoed much of what Leonidas says in the movie about the clash between West and East: "It seems to me quite obvious that our country and the entire Western world is up against an existential foe that knows exactly what it wants." Miller said he had no problem judging American culture to be superior to Islamic extremism. "Let's finally talk about the enemy," he said. "Nobody seems to be talking about who we're up against, and the sixth-century barbarism they actually represent. These people saw people's heads off... . They do not behave by any cultural norms that are sensible to us."[71] Depiction of Persians The film has attracted controversy over the portrayal of the Persians. Greek critic Dimitris Danikas claimed the film showed Persians as "bloodthirsty, underdeveloped zombies," and went on to say, "They are stroking (sic) racist instincts in Europe and America."[60] The president of Iran's Art Affairs Advisory also expressed strong condemnation over the movie which he said insulted the Persian civilization. Javad Shamqadri, who is also a filmmaker, said the film specifically had racist intentions but called the film's effort fruitless however, saying, "values in Iranian culture are too strongly seated to be damaged by such plans."[72] As in the graphic novel, the Persians are depicted as a barbaric and demonic horde. The androgynous depiction of the Persian emissary and King Xerxes [73] is meant to stand in stark contrast to the masculinity of the Spartan army. Xerxes is presented as an Africanized “God-king”, an allusion to the status of ancient Egyptian pharaohs[74]. The ancient Persian kings did not present themselves as deities[75]. The outfits and headgear of the Persian infantry lend themselves more to the stereotypical garments of medieval Arabian and Islamic attire[76] than to the ancient garb of the Persian army, while the elite Immortals have been given an East Asian guise. Along with references to slavery, mysticism and depictions of hyper-sexuality, the Persians become the vehicle for an anachronistic cross-section of Western stereotypes of Asian and African cultures[77][78].
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Mar 11, 2007 18:48:58 GMT -5
Post by Big on Mar 11, 2007 18:48:58 GMT -5
The main question to ask is: Why show the movie now? Judging by the box office, money. Ok, then why did so many people go to see it?
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Mar 11, 2007 21:13:09 GMT -5
Post by ground3pound on Mar 11, 2007 21:13:09 GMT -5
Good art is supposed to imitate life. People interpret art in different ways.
I don't know the artists intent, but I couldn't help but relate the movie to today's current events.
For example, the Greek council had all but abandoned the small army of 300 that were protecting them from an evil that they were clearly under estimating.
The queen urges the council to send more troops.
I'd say we all heard this somewhere before.
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Mar 11, 2007 21:21:41 GMT -5
Post by ground3pound on Mar 11, 2007 21:21:41 GMT -5
Found this quote here www.wired.com/news/culture/0,72775-0.html?tw=wn_culture_media_6 WN: In the film, a tiny bunch of European freedom fighters hold off a huge army of Iranian slaves. Everyone is sure to be translating this into contemporary politics. Snyder: Someone asked me, "Is George Bush Leonidas or Xerxes?" I said, "That's an awesome question." The fact they asked tells me that this movie can mean one thing to one person and something totally different to another. I clearly didn't mean either. I was just trying to get Frank's book made into a movie. That kind of debate is unavoidable right now. I don't live in a cave, but on the other hand, the film's about a 2,000-year-old conflict. People will say, "You made this because we are going to war with Iran." I'll say, "We are? Not if I have anything to do with it." __________________ So it sounds like he didn't have a hidden agenda. But still, different people will interpret parts of the movie differently.
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Mar 11, 2007 21:41:06 GMT -5
Post by Big on Mar 11, 2007 21:41:06 GMT -5
Who is the dumbass now?
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Mar 11, 2007 21:53:03 GMT -5
Post by ground3pound on Mar 11, 2007 21:53:03 GMT -5
Are you referring to me? ....explain
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Mar 11, 2007 22:04:06 GMT -5
Post by JensenS on Mar 11, 2007 22:04:06 GMT -5
Oh, you still are. Snyder's quote says it all, he's not trying to drum up support for a war against Iran, like you, satiev, yazdani and any others have maintained.
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Mar 11, 2007 22:07:49 GMT -5
Post by Big on Mar 11, 2007 22:07:49 GMT -5
ground, No, not you, you are very polite usually. This is all in good fun by the way.
Jensen, if you know many will react to a movie in a certain way due to today's events, then you know what your movie is going to do.
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Mar 11, 2007 22:10:20 GMT -5
Post by Big on Mar 11, 2007 22:10:20 GMT -5
Its like those Russian movies I see on Russian TV that describe Russian city life. The movies are full of crime and corruption but the movie makers say they simply want to show something interesting to watch.
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Mar 11, 2007 22:17:43 GMT -5
Post by Mike on Mar 11, 2007 22:17:43 GMT -5
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Mar 11, 2007 22:18:09 GMT -5
Post by ground3pound on Mar 11, 2007 22:18:09 GMT -5
There are some people who interpret the US as the invaders and Iraqis as the 300 defending their homeland.
I was assuming someone who saw the movie would take this stance, but you guys took it in a different direction.
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