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Post by Big on Mar 13, 2007 14:18:32 GMT -5
I mainly agree with all main issues of the Roman Catholic Church.
Sexual relationships' main value is in making kids with a family between a man and a woman.
Homosexuality, therefore, is immoral.
Abortions suck and people should not get to that point.
Euthanasia is immoral.
People should not get married unless they believe their spouse is the one for life.
I guess the only difference is that I think stuff happens and rules written in stone just don't always work for humans.
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Post by contini on Mar 13, 2007 19:59:04 GMT -5
So I guess you also think sex before marriage and/or the use of contraceptives is immoral?
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Post by Big on Mar 13, 2007 20:14:56 GMT -5
So I guess you also think sex before marriage and/or the use of contraceptives is immoral? Not so much on this rule but ideally yes. I don't think too many people would oppose to meet the love of their lives in high school and marry them at 18 while still being able to accomplish their goals in life. Again, modern life's constraints preclude that very often. |
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Post by oc on Mar 13, 2007 21:58:39 GMT -5
Big, People need ethics at the center of their lives, I believe the popularity of 300 is because of the ethics that inform it (self-sacrifice for something greater than yourself). Materialism, be it the atheistic materialism of communism, or, the economic materialism currently infecting the West, can not speak to the human person in a satisfying way.
The heart has it reasons, reason will never know. Paschal
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Post by ugly on Mar 14, 2007 6:40:14 GMT -5
Hey I am not going to bash Big for what he said. I think he made some good points and if he can find common ground on some issues it shows he is attemting to understand them from another point of view.
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Post by Spider on Mar 14, 2007 7:59:19 GMT -5
I'd make a terrible Roman Catholic.
"Sexual relationships' main value is in making kids with a family between a man and a woman."
So a person who is sterile should never have sex, even with his or her spouse?
"Homosexuality, therefore, is immoral."
If you disagree with "So a person who is sterile should never have sex, even with his or her spouse?", then your justification for homosexuality being immoral is no longer valid.
"Abortions suck and people should not get to that point."
Probably the most reasonable of your assertions, but it's one thing to dislike abortions and quite another to prohibit others from having them.
"People should not get married unless they believe their spouse is the one for life."
I think most people who get married believe that it will be for life, but people make well-intentioned mistakes and should not receive a life sentence for them. Divorce shouldn't be a quick fix, but it should be an option.
"Euthanasia is immoral."
Now you've hit a nerve. I am vehemently in favor of euthanisia where appropriate, and believe that it is reprehensible that suffering should be prolonged in a terminal patient for religious or quasi-moral reasons. The right to death is as sacred as the right to life.
I will be away from my computer for much of today, but will respond to any replies as soon as I can.
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Post by ugly on Mar 14, 2007 8:18:38 GMT -5
Your right you would make a terrible catholic.
Sex is not only to make kids it is a gift from God that we should share with our spouse that helps us bond in a way that we dont bond with anyone else.
If you want to make obsurd comparrisons then you will always be able to debunk theories or beliefs to a certain point.
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Post by Spider on Mar 14, 2007 10:31:59 GMT -5
"Sex is not only to make kids it is a gift from God that we should share with our spouse that helps us bond in a way that we dont bond with anyone else.
If you want to make obsurd comparrisons then you will always be able to debunk theories or beliefs to a certain point."
I don't think my comparison was absurd. Big's point was that the main purpose of sex is procreation. I like your answer better, but I'd replace "spouse" with "partner" and leave it to others to define partner. I've enjoyed sex with women I was in love with and women who were more casual partners, and all were very pleasant, but sex with those I felt an emotional bond with was much more fulfilling. I've never had sex with a married woman or with anyone other than my wife when I was married, so I do not feel that I have sinned in any way. No offense to Catholics, but I'm very happy not to be counted as one of you.
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Post by Flop the Nuts on Mar 14, 2007 11:59:14 GMT -5
Your right you would make a terrible catholic. Sex is not only to make kids it is a gift from God that we should share with our spouse that helps us bond in a way that we dont bond with anyone else. If you want to make obsurd comparrisons then you will always be able to debunk theories or beliefs to a certain point. So, how do you feel about two loving people of the same sex being in an intimate relationship? They can't have children, so is the sex immoral? If you don't to tell us your feelings, then what do you believe the position of the RC church is. |
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Post by ugly on Mar 14, 2007 12:15:22 GMT -5
Well if you want my opinion, as a Christian I believe that homosexuality is wrong and the sex is wrong. THe bilbe clearly states that it is wrong, but let me also say that I dont think that people who practice gay or lesbian sex are unable to gain salvation through Christ nor do I believe that being gay or lesbian is any worse than any other sin out there. That includes all the sin in my life.
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Post by ugly on Mar 14, 2007 12:16:54 GMT -5
Spider I can agree with you about your commenting on Bigs point with your analogy. I obviously wouldnt replace spouse with partner in my own life but we agree.
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Post by Flop the Nuts on Mar 14, 2007 12:26:47 GMT -5
Well if you want my opinion, as a Christian I believe that homosexuality is wrong and the sex is wrong. THe bilbe clearly states that it is wrong, but let me also say that I dont think that people who practice gay or lesbian sex are unable to gain salvation through Christ nor do I believe that being gay or lesbian is any worse than any other sin out there. That includes all the sin in my life. Fair enough. No one asked for my opinion, but I feel that two people who love each other and are committed to each other are far more moral entitled to marriage than someone like Britney Spears and her exes. Two gay dudes or gay chicks would be better parents than Britney and many other headcases. |
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Post by ugly on Mar 14, 2007 12:36:43 GMT -5
Unfortunately for all of us some swim in the shallow end of the gene pool, like Spears
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Post by Big on Mar 14, 2007 12:47:12 GMT -5
A response to Spider's comments,
There is a difference between not having kids because a couple chooses not to have them or not being able to have kids due to some physical malfunction and due to NATURAL INABILITY (homosexual) where Nature has not intended for two individuals to procreate as A GENERAL RULE.
No one says two men or two women can't be close friends. However, sexual conduct is another story and as a result quite immoral.
Euthanasia. If the person is hooked up to a machine or to life saving medication, euthanasia is not needed. Just unhook the machine or life saving medication, give them pain killers and they will die.
The kind of euthanasia I consider immoral is when a person says: "Doc, I don't want to live, give me a pill to die". The bad consequences just outweigh the good.
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Post by Flop the Nuts on Mar 14, 2007 12:57:53 GMT -5
"No one says two men or two women can't be close friends. However, sexual conduct is another story and as a result quite immoral."
Why? You're an atheist, right (or maybe an agnostic)? Are you just basing this on your uneasiness with the act?
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