Can Someone explain Sombo?

[bambam]

I am not really sure I understand "Sombo". How is it similer/differant than Judo, Ju jitsui, Kick boxing etc? Is Russia the accepted experts in this art?

[odh]

From what I have read of the rules it is a lot like Judo.
If you are famaliar with Judo, the main differences are: Scoring for throws is a little different(itis alot harder ot get an ippon), Sambo wear shorts and a jacket instead of a full gi, chokes are illegal, leg locks are legal.

Also on the web, there seems to be different federations promoting modified rules (seemed to be tailring more to UFC without striking). This does not seem like a good thing for a "minor" sport. I do not know if FILA sponsoring the sport will help it gain popularity at all.

I have never seen a match, but would love to. I trained breifly with a Sambo/ Judo guy and he could hit ambars from any position

[bambam]

odh,
Thanks. I have heard about many variations which is why I am still slightly confused what it is all about! Hopefully some of the other MMA fans can give us some more insight?

[Wiltz]

Sombo- is a martial art developed in Russia a combination of judo and native wrestling.

The difference between Judo and Sombo is simply put Judo matches are primarly won with throws based on a point system(ippon) sumbission or hold downs are not a big percentage of the winning moves.

While Sombo focus is mostly on submissions. However, they don't allow choke or strangles.

Does that help?

[bambam]

Are you allowed to use strikes to the head or body?

[Wiltz]

Much like Judo no stikes. Combine Greco (throws) with Freestyle (takedowns) and add Submissions. You have Sombo. I am watering it down quite a bit.

[Wiltz]

There are three ways to score in SOMBO matches:

1. HOLD DOWN - A hold down is similar to the JUDO hold down or wrestling near fall. One wrestler must hold his opponents back to the mat with either back to chest or chest in contact to score. Slipping an arm between the contact points, pushing the attacker away to create a space, or turning over (past 90 degrees) to face the mat will break the hold down. A 10 second hold down will score 2 points, while a 20 second hold down will score 4 points. In a single match only one hold down per competitor can score. A hold down does not end the match as it does in JUDO.


Two or Four Point Hold Down



2. THROW - A throw is similar to a JUDO throw, except that the throw is elevated in point scoring according to two criteria: (1) the position of the throwing wrestler after the throw (on his feet or on the mat) and (2) how the thrown wrestler lands (stomach, back, side, or but). The total victory throw in SOMBO (Epon in JUDO) occurs when the attacking wrestler remains on his feet and the attacked wrestler lands on his back. This throw ends the match. Other throws where the attacker falls down or where the attacked wrestler lands in a better defensive position than on his back are awarded between 1 and 4 points. The key element in SOMBO throws is off balancing the opponent.


Two or Four Point Throw (Depending on How Throw Ends)



3. SUBMISSION HOLD - Submission holds, depending on if submissions are allowed in an age group, can be applied to arms or legs only (not hands and feet). Although legal in JUDO, choke holds are illegal and will result in a penalty caution. The match ends when one wrestler gives up by calling out or tapping the mat after the submission hold is applied. Calling out is taken very seriously in SOMBO, and can end a match even when the defender accidentally makes a loud noise. Talking can also result in a penalty or accidental award of match. The attacking wrestler is allowed to ke-yii when throwing, but other then this, it is best to make no noises when wrestling.


Submission Hold (One of Several)


Wrestling on the Mat


Wrestling on the mat takes place whenever a takedown occurs. Takedowns are similar to wrestling takedowns in that various points are scored off the throw depending on how each wrestler ends up when the takedown is completed. However, points are only awarded for the gaining control during the throw itself, not for gaining control without a throw.

Once on the mat, unless a hold down has already taken place,the wrestler must actively work towards a submission hold. Generally the referee will allow 15 to 20 seconds of active mat work are allowed before the wrestlers are brought to their feet. However, if mat work is not active, wrestlers are brought to their feet much quicker. In younger age groups where submission holds are not allowed (Schoolboy and below), wrestlers are immediately brought to standing after a takedown occurs and a hold down has already been awarded.

[bambam]

Wiltz,
Excellent job! Now that helps big time! I appreciate your effort.

[odh]

Wiltz,
I had a question that I have not got a good answer to and you might know.
In Sombo, are typical wrestling takedowns used - single, double, duck etc.? and if the end up in a scramble with no exposure, are any points awarded?

[Wiltz]

odh said:

Wiltz,
I had a question that I have not got a good answer to and you might know.
In Sombo, are typical wrestling takedowns used - single, double, duck etc.? and if the end up in a scramble with no exposure, are any points awarded?

I'm no expert. I just do good research

Typical takedowns are used but, they only score if their is a throw involved. Gaining control scores no points without a throw.

I will post from a site that does a better job explaining

[Wiltz]

www.blackmagic.com/ses/sombo/stech.html

Technical Evaluation Criteria



Bruce Gabrielson, PhD
1994 US SOMBO Team Coach


Technical Criteria


The following two tables describe the overall criteria for awarding points during a SOMBO match. In some cases and age groups, the criteria for illegal holds or technique to score may change from year to year. The information in the tables is to be considered general and should be updated with each years current requirements. Also, each of these techniques will be described in greater detail in sections following the tables. As a general rule, points scored while the attacker remains standing are cut in half when the attacker falls to the mat with his or her opponent.
Wrestlers Throw Scoring
(Figures of these techniques are included in the throwing technique section)


Both Wrestlers Standing
Attacker Applies Throw Without Falling
Defender Lands on Back or Quick Roll Over
-----Total Victory

Defender Lands on Side
-----4
Defender Lands on Stomach, Buttocks, Shoulder or Chest
-----2
Defender Lands on Knee/Hands or a Hand Forearm, Takedown With Control
-----1

Both Wrestlers Standing
Attacker Applies Throw With Falling
Defender Lands on Back or Quick Roll Over
-----4
Defender Lands on Side
-----2
Defender Lands on Stomach, Buttocks, Shoulder or Chest
-----1
Defender Lands on Knee/Hands or a Hand Forearm Takedown With Control
-----1

Attacker Standing, Defender on Mat
Attacker Applies Throw Without Falling
Defender Lands on Back or Quick Roll Over
-----2
Defender Lands on Stomach, Buttocks, Shoulder or Chest
------
Defender Lands on Knee/Hands or a Hand Forearm Takedown With Control
------

Attacker on Mat, Defender Standing or on Mat
Attacker Applies Throw With Defender Falling
Defender Lands on Back or Quick Roll Over
-----1

With Lift of Opponent by Attacker Above Hips*
Defender Lands on Back or Quick Roll Over
-----2
Defender Lands on Side
-----1
Defender Lands on Stomach, Buttocks, Shoulder or Chest
------
Defender Lands on Knee/Hands or a Hand Forearm Takedown With Control
------

* This lift criteria seems to vary between officials and countries. However, many US officials prefer to award the lift points.

Mat Technique

The hold down must be chest to chest or back to chest. The hold down is not broken if the defender is able to lock the legs as in Judo. However, getting your arms accross the chest between you and your opponent will berak the hold down.

In a submission hold, if the defender is able to make it to his or her feet, the action is stopped and both wrestlers are brought to standing. Additionally, each wrestler can apply a submission at the same time. The time limit for a submission starts when indicated by a clenched fist by the referee.
Wrestlers Mat Scoring


10 Seconds Hold Down
-----2 Hold Down Points

20 Seconds Hold Down
-----4 Hold Down Points

Note: Only one hold down can be scored (2 or 4 point) during a match

Painful Legal Hold
-----Total Victory (Match Award)

12 Point Advantage
-----Match Award

First Warning
-----Verbal

First Caution
-----1

Second Caution
-----2
Third Caution
-----Match Award

Wrestling/Scoring Area


Wrestlers are considered off the mat when one foot is off the mat, half the body up to the waist, or a shoulder and buttock is off after a throw or mat wrestling. A throw which begins in the legal wrestling area and lands out-of-bounds still is allowed to score. However, the wrestlers are brought back to standing rather then in par-tier or down position when they start at the center again regardless of how they went out.