A quiz

[sgallan]

The picture at the bottom is of Triggas and Oliver. It was probably taken within the first minute of the match. Based on this picture I can pretty much figure out why Triggas won the bout. What is my reasoning.....

[Mike]

Triggas is in the blue. Which Oliver are you talking about, that don't look like Jordan at all. I would guess because of the Russian and ability to control his opponent with that. The position on the Russian actually looks very good, from thumb placement to hand control and placement, including keeping the arm in tight against body to maintain leverage.

[NoMoreLies]

Because he had more tattoos!

[ground3pound]

Sorry Scott, I don't have an answer.

It looks like Jordan physically matured somewhat since last year when he was 103.

He got some new ink as well.

[troll]

Jordan controlled the match in Neutral scoring the only 2 takedowns. Triggas scored his 7 points off 2 escapes, 1 stall call, 1 penalty point, and tilting Oliver for 3 backs.

[sgallan]

It is not a good idea to post the head when fighting a good russian tie. You face and either get the other elbow or the hand. Posting the head leaves you open to an awful lot. Oliver (if that is Oliver) knows that. It suggests his head wasn't fully in the match. Against a wrestler who is his equal or better, not wrestling smart can bite you.

[nyotter]

sgallan said:

It is not a good idea to post the head when fighting a good russian tie. You face and either get the other elbow or the hand. Posting the head leaves you open to an awful lot. Oliver (if that is Oliver) knows that. It suggests his head wasn't fully in the match. Against a wrestler who is his equal or better, not wrestling smart can bite you.

thats a huge leap to take a snapshot when he was obviously out positioned and say it proves his head wasn't in the match, especially when he won the feet part of the match

[Mike]

So I was clossest to being right according to your thought.

[sgallan]

So where would some nations be without the support of America, like Isreal or the Aids fight in Africa which America contributes to greatly. I would agree that with great power comes great responsability but nothing is perfect.

It is was a fundamental mistake. And it isn't such a leap when you consider the results of the match.

[sgallan]

So I was clossest to being right according to your thought.

Yeah, I brought it up because a wrestler I mentored occasionally, did it in the semi's at Rocky Mountain nationals a few years back. He got keylocked, and landed so hard that he almost ruptured his spleen.

[nyotter]

sgallan said:

So where would some nations be without the support of America, like Isreal or the Aids fight in Africa which America contributes to greatly. I would agree that with great power comes great responsability but nothing is perfect.

It is was a fundamental mistake. And it isn't such a leap when you consider the results of the match.

It's a HUGE leap

1- You don't even know if it's Oliver

2- It is a frozen moment in time. Who knows why he got out of postion? Obviously, he was fundamentally sound enough to score the only two takedowns of the match.

3- making a fundamental mistake does not necessarily mean a kid's head isn't in the match. Was Ghaffarri just not into it everytime he got out pummeled by Karelin?

[Flop the Nuts]

It's Triggas vs Oliver in the Reno finals. Full set of photos here: www.tech-fall.com/06RTOCHS3.html

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sgallan said:

So where would some nations be without the support of America, like Isreal or the Aids fight in Africa which America contributes to greatly. I would agree that with great power comes great responsability but nothing is perfect.

It is was a fundamental mistake. And it isn't such a leap when you consider the results of the match.

So did he win because of America's support for Israel and treatment of AIDS?

[sgallan]

It's a HUGE leap

No it's not. After watching the first 100,000 matches, or seeing the first 10,000 pictures, and so forth, you kind of get a feel for this sort of thing. At the higher levels little slips show trends. It is the same sort of thing as watching a 3-1 match, and when it is over saying to somebody..... "the score was close but the match wasn't". I bet you don't understand that concept either.

I guess you'd have to be the obcessed person like me..... who watches everything from pee-wee's/rookies, to Veterans, women or men, in every single style, like each and every style, and match, watching it closely, and am also that one fan, who goes to a local out of town local HS meet, without having a single person affiliated with either team, just because I like the sport..... to understand where I am coming from.... I guess.

You know those "you know your a wrestler (or wrestling fan)" lists that go around? I actually fit about 90% of the criteria. I actually have counted the numbers of items, and figured out how many fit me, to come up with the 90%. A week from this Saturday I am going to coach and attend a national level kids meet, follow it up with a solid local HS tourney, and will probably wake-up the next day and drive 3 hours one way to get my kid to yet another meet. Where I will not only coach her, but watch two mats at a time, when she isn't wrestling, and probably pick up an "orphan or two" to coach. This after I go to a 2-day tournament tommorrow, work out with the team New Years day, go to another practice, a multi on Wednesday, and two more days of practice.

Hey, I can't help it if you cannot think outside of the box and are a prisoner to you preconceived notions.

[ground3pound]

Another schlep who doesn't have his head in the match.

Surely, he lost as well.