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Post by Donkey on Mar 23, 2007 17:23:25 GMT -5
with all due respect, philly, did you even read the links you posted? Bush NEVER said Iraq had anything to do with the 9/11 attacks. Not once. You are revising history, as I said before. And it is sophomoric for you to stoop to that level.
"This administration never said that the 9/11 attacks were orchestrated between Saddam and al Qaeda. We did say there were numerous contacts between Saddam Hussein and al Qaeda. For example, Iraqi intelligence officers met with bin Laden, the head of al Qaeda, in the Sudan. There's numerous contacts between the two."
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Post by Flop the Nuts on Mar 23, 2007 17:43:47 GMT -5
President's kids should not be above sacrifices for the greater good of the country. They're not above sacrifices, but they chose not to enlist in the military. What's your bigger point? You seem to dancing around saying something, but you're not doing it. Do you want everyone in the country to have to serve in the military?
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Post by phillywrestler on Mar 23, 2007 17:54:25 GMT -5
with all due respect, philly, did you even read the links you posted? Bush NEVER said Iraq had anything to do with the 9/11 attacks. Not once. You are revising history, as I said before. And it is sophomoric for you to stoop to that level. "This administration never said that the 9/11 attacks were orchestrated between Saddam and al Qaeda. We did say there were numerous contacts between Saddam Hussein and al Qaeda. For example, Iraqi intelligence officers met with bin Laden, the head of al Qaeda, in the Sudan. There's numerous contacts between the two." My original post said nothing about September 11th. It said Bush alleged there was a "link" between Al Queada and Hussein, and Bush did say there was a link between Hussein and Al Queada. Bin Laden and Hussein were enemies. Bin Laden pleaded with the Saudi government to allow his Arab Afghans to liberate Kuwait from Hussein in 1991, but the Saudi government rejected him and chose to accept the United States' assistance instead. Experts believe this was a great insult to Bin Laden.
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Post by Donkey on Mar 23, 2007 18:01:16 GMT -5
Sadaam met w/ members of AlQueda numerous times. That is a bad sign. And it is true. Do you deny this fact? That they did, indeed, meet w eachother?
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Post by phillywrestler on Mar 23, 2007 18:06:10 GMT -5
President's kids should not be above sacrifices for the greater good of the country. They're not above sacrifices, but they chose not to enlist in the military. What's your bigger point? You seem to dancing around sasomething, but you're not doing it. Do you want everyone in the country to have to serve in the military? The government allows military recruiters to use tactics that are forbidden to private employers. The recruiters have access to schools and school mailing lists. There have been reports in the media of recruiters being dishonest and making false promises to teenagers. Enlisting in the military is binding, unlike private employment contracts, which can be breached without any criminal penalties. Kids from affluent homes are less vulnerable to theses tactics. They have more options and more information.
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Post by phillywrestler on Mar 23, 2007 18:11:47 GMT -5
Sadaam met w/ members of AlQueda numerous times. That is a bad sign. And it is true. Do you deny this fact? That they did, indeed, meet w eachother? Even if there were meetings, it does not change the fact that Bush listed a potential link between Al Queada and Hussein as one of the reasons for invading Iraq, along with the possibility of weapons of mass destruction. This proposed "link" was an emotional argument to tug at the heartstrings of Congress and the public.
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Post by Flop the Nuts on Mar 23, 2007 18:50:33 GMT -5
They're not above sacrifices, but they chose not to enlist in the military. What's your bigger point? You seem to dancing around sasomething, but you're not doing it. Do you want everyone in the country to have to serve in the military? The government allows military recruiters to use tactics that are forbidden to private employers. The recruiters have access to schools and school mailing lists. There have been reports in the media of recruiters being dishonest and making false promises to teenagers. Enlisting in the military is binding, unlike private employment contracts, which can be breached without any criminal penalties. Kids from affluent homes are less vulnerable to theses tactics. They have more options and more information. I'm not sure what you're trying to say. Even if I agree with you, that doesn't change the fact that the Bush twins are under no obligation to serve in the military, and I don't believe they should be faulted in any way for not serving. Criticizing the children of a President is a cheap shot.
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Post by Big on Mar 23, 2007 20:00:26 GMT -5
Sadaam met w/ members of AlQueda numerous times. That is a bad sign. And it is true. Do you deny this fact? That they did, indeed, meet w eachother? Even if true, so did CIA members, even helped them.
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Post by phillywrestler on Mar 23, 2007 21:21:35 GMT -5
The government allows military recruiters to use tactics that are forbidden to private employers. The recruiters have access to schools and school mailing lists. There have been reports in the media of recruiters being dishonest and making false promises to teenagers. Enlisting in the military is binding, unlike private employment contracts, which can be breached without any criminal penalties. Kids from affluent homes are less vulnerable to theses tactics. They have more options and more information. I'm not sure what you're trying to say. Even if I agree with you, that doesn't change the fact that the Bush twins are under no obligation to serve in the military, and I don't believe they should be faulted in any way for not serving. Criticizing the children of a President is a cheap shot. My post did digress a little. I understand the Bush twins are under no obligation to serve, nor are they responsible for their father's actions. On a separate note, the volunteer military attracts more kids from lower socioeconomic classes. Although, I appreciate the virtues of capitalism, but some things should be beyond money. If the country goes to war, then all Americans should serve if required.
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Post by Donkey on Mar 24, 2007 2:53:51 GMT -5
I'm not sure what you're trying to say. Even if I agree with you, that doesn't change the fact that the Bush twins are under no obligation to serve in the military, and I don't believe they should be faulted in any way for not serving. Criticizing the children of a President is a cheap shot. My post did digress a little. I understand the Bush twins are under no obligation to serve, nor are they responsible for their father's actions. On a separate note, the volunteer military attracts more kids from lower socioeconomic classes. Although, I appreciate the virtues of capitalism, but some things should be beyond money. If the country goes to war, then all Americans should serve if required. Philly, but they are NOT required, it is an all-volunteer force. Do you, then, support a draft? I am having trouble understanding your point...
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Post by Donkey on Mar 24, 2007 2:55:59 GMT -5
Oh, nevermind, I get it. During peace times you love the volunteer army but during war times nothing is fair because the kids of people at war should have to serve.
Oh. Okay. Now I understand you position.
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Post by Donkey on Mar 24, 2007 2:57:02 GMT -5
And, boy, does your position ever make sense!
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Post by phillywrestler on Mar 24, 2007 9:23:31 GMT -5
Oh, nevermind, I get it. During peace times you love the volunteer army but during war times nothing is fair because the kids of people at war should have to serve. Oh. Okay. Now I understand you position. My position is Donkey should go to Iraq to "defend" our country. You believe it is a noble cause and you stand behind all the president's decisions. You are young enough to fight, and you are an ex-wrestler, so you should have the discipline for it.
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Post by phillywrestler on Mar 24, 2007 9:32:07 GMT -5
And yes, I believe there should be a draft just like Congressman Rangel proposed.
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Post by Avallone on Mar 24, 2007 12:50:20 GMT -5
I think that every dropout should be required to join their choice of 1 of the military services and serve at least 4 years. I also think that every graduating senior should be required to go through 8 weeks of basic training the summer after graduation. I guarantee this would lower the dropout rate and produce more productive citizens.
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